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	<description>The Authority for News &#038; Opinion on the War of the Desktop Publishing Giants QuarkXPress and Adobe InDesign</description>
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		<title>by: Curious</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26600</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2007 03:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you. They do things pretty much the same. Each has its own (dis)advantages. I just hope Quark keeps improving XPress and start taking on Adobe more aggressively. More competition between the two means better products for end users. It all comes down to preference which application you prefer to work in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. They do things pretty much the same. Each has its own (dis)advantages. I just hope Quark keeps improving XPress and start taking on Adobe more aggressively. More competition between the two means better products for end users. It all comes down to preference which application you prefer to work in.
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		<title>by: UNIV</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26481</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 12:36:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Interesting comment about It’s integration with other applications you made, Photoshop support was far better in Quark until CS3 and now they are about the same, I think feature to feature they are much the same it's just a matter of preference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting comment about It’s integration with other applications you made, Photoshop support was far better in Quark until CS3 and now they are about the same, I think feature to feature they are much the same it&#8217;s just a matter of preference.
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		<title>by: Curious</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26455</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 06:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm CS2 user. I have trial of CS3 installed for testing purposes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m CS2 user. I have trial of CS3 installed for testing purposes.
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		<title>by: UNIV</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26452</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 05:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Are you a CS2 or 3 user?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you a CS2 or 3 user?
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		<title>by: Curious</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26450</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Please disregard my grammatical mistakes. I can't believe that after all these years I mistype some very basic things.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please disregard my grammatical mistakes. I can&#8217;t believe that after all these years I mistype some very basic things.
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		<title>by: Curious</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26449</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:54:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks UNIV for providing extensive reply. I'm just hobbyist myself. I find QXP to be very light on resources and much more responsive on my system, however I prefer InDesign to work in. It's integration with other applications and features are rather fantastic. Sure, it's not perfect, but it's great. I haven't worked in multi-user environment to see any (dis)advantages it has over QXP. For one user projects, it's great.

I just asked you to clarify a bit because this is something new to me. Of course, I have been reading all kind of sites, but admittedly they are usually pro-Adobe so this type of info would most likely be disregarded.

I know that major magazines here use InDesign. I also heard major UK Publishers moved to ID as well (and portfolio of mags published with it is enormous) as well as some book publishing houses in the US, so your comment surprised me. I'd assume that stopping migration process and returning everything to old would cost more and be more time consuming than actually finishing started migration to new product.

I'll take your word for it though. I'm in no position to provide realistic situation.  Adobe is playing European customers with its pricing. I wouldn't be surprised if CS3 adoption is slower than expected here. Then again, Quark does exactly the same to us. Regarding support - thankfully I never needed it myself. It would be knife in the back for Adobe to neglect corporate users and provide them with mediocre support. Quark's iconic reputation for bad/arrogant support is probably the main reason that drove people away form it. I'd suspect that Adobe would know otherwise.

I wouldn't call Adobe copycat. They are innovators after all when it comes to publishing. The most crucial technologies used in that area are conceived in Adobe. the fact that both software (QXP and ID) are adding same/similar feature is always tricky. One can claim one is copying other, but it's totally irrelevant to end user who had it first. I think the areas ID lacked behind were more or less matched/surpassed with CS3 (PDF/PSD) support...). For current Quark users, 7 is major update and it's nice, but it offers nothing attractive to current ID users, IMO.

You are certainly right about marketing though. It's a powerful tool (just look at Apple). In the end, I doubt any rational person would invest their money solely on hearsay. Both software can be tested and you can decide to make a purchase based on your own experience. In corporate environments this is probably hard/impossible, but still...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks UNIV for providing extensive reply. I&#8217;m just hobbyist myself. I find QXP to be very light on resources and much more responsive on my system, however I prefer InDesign to work in. It&#8217;s integration with other applications and features are rather fantastic. Sure, it&#8217;s not perfect, but it&#8217;s great. I haven&#8217;t worked in multi-user environment to see any (dis)advantages it has over QXP. For one user projects, it&#8217;s great.</p>
<p>I just asked you to clarify a bit because this is something new to me. Of course, I have been reading all kind of sites, but admittedly they are usually pro-Adobe so this type of info would most likely be disregarded.</p>
<p>I know that major magazines here use InDesign. I also heard major UK Publishers moved to ID as well (and portfolio of mags published with it is enormous) as well as some book publishing houses in the US, so your comment surprised me. I&#8217;d assume that stopping migration process and returning everything to old would cost more and be more time consuming than actually finishing started migration to new product.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll take your word for it though. I&#8217;m in no position to provide realistic situation.  Adobe is playing European customers with its pricing. I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if CS3 adoption is slower than expected here. Then again, Quark does exactly the same to us. Regarding support - thankfully I never needed it myself. It would be knife in the back for Adobe to neglect corporate users and provide them with mediocre support. Quark&#8217;s iconic reputation for bad/arrogant support is probably the main reason that drove people away form it. I&#8217;d suspect that Adobe would know otherwise.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t call Adobe copycat. They are innovators after all when it comes to publishing. The most crucial technologies used in that area are conceived in Adobe. the fact that both software (QXP and ID) are adding same/similar feature is always tricky. One can claim one is copying other, but it&#8217;s totally irrelevant to end user who had it first. I think the areas ID lacked behind were more or less matched/surpassed with CS3 (PDF/PSD) support&#8230;). For current Quark users, 7 is major update and it&#8217;s nice, but it offers nothing attractive to current ID users, IMO.</p>
<p>You are certainly right about marketing though. It&#8217;s a powerful tool (just look at Apple). In the end, I doubt any rational person would invest their money solely on hearsay. Both software can be tested and you can decide to make a purchase based on your own experience. In corporate environments this is probably hard/impossible, but still&#8230;
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		<title>by: UNIV</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26448</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have been working in publishing for the last 25 years and work for one of the largest groups in Europe, last year we stopped the global rollout of InDesign and many of our houses and Agency's have gone back to Quark, Adobe screwed our Dutch office, offering support if they switched and then skipped out on them after getting a press release.
The general arrogance of Adobe in Scandinavia is playing back into Quark's hands, and Quark is doing a good job of coming back, better customer service, good strong technology and delivers on there word. All new for Quark but it's working. The industry is very small people talk, and nobody will tell Quark but there on the way back, they can't get away with anything again but, better the Devil you know is the general consensus. 

It doesn't take a genius to work out that Quark is the innovator and Adobe the follower in this case. Job Jackets, Composition Zones, Layout Spaces, Shared Layouts, Colour based transparency. Real industry innovations in the tools, production driven.

From what I see the US is behind in seeing this due to the Adobe marketing machine, this website is a classic example. Only provide the information needed to get the result you want, and that's the results that is the most profitable for the individual. They look for where there pay day is coming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been working in publishing for the last 25 years and work for one of the largest groups in Europe, last year we stopped the global rollout of InDesign and many of our houses and Agency&#8217;s have gone back to Quark, Adobe screwed our Dutch office, offering support if they switched and then skipped out on them after getting a press release.<br />
The general arrogance of Adobe in Scandinavia is playing back into Quark&#8217;s hands, and Quark is doing a good job of coming back, better customer service, good strong technology and delivers on there word. All new for Quark but it&#8217;s working. The industry is very small people talk, and nobody will tell Quark but there on the way back, they can&#8217;t get away with anything again but, better the Devil you know is the general consensus. </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t take a genius to work out that Quark is the innovator and Adobe the follower in this case. Job Jackets, Composition Zones, Layout Spaces, Shared Layouts, Colour based transparency. Real industry innovations in the tools, production driven.</p>
<p>From what I see the US is behind in seeing this due to the Adobe marketing machine, this website is a classic example. Only provide the information needed to get the result you want, and that&#8217;s the results that is the most profitable for the individual. They look for where there pay day is coming
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		<title>by: Curious</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26446</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 03:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Europe switching back to QXP? Do you have any data to back it up? I know a lot of print houses are tied to Quark, but only because they still use "ancient versions" and don't want to upgrade due to costs, but publishers and big printing houses are all into InDesign, at least here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Europe switching back to QXP? Do you have any data to back it up? I know a lot of print houses are tied to Quark, but only because they still use &#8220;ancient versions&#8221; and don&#8217;t want to upgrade due to costs, but publishers and big printing houses are all into InDesign, at least here.
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		<title>by: UNIV</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26439</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Jun 2007 00:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The first thing to do is go to a more impartial site, If you want hard facts, it's very hard to get from this site, more of an Adobe backed marketing tool, so very good for getting details on the CS suite but not for DTP tool market comparison. 

look at data from both Company sites, look at what large Agency's and publishers are doing, as this changes based on your location, while Europe is switching back to XPress as a standard the US is still very much split. 
Quark has the Speed and the technology and InDesign has some of the features.  Mjenuius is correct the only reason freelancers like InDesign is becouse it's free with the suite, and most haven't used Quark or not since 5 at least.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first thing to do is go to a more impartial site, If you want hard facts, it&#8217;s very hard to get from this site, more of an Adobe backed marketing tool, so very good for getting details on the CS suite but not for DTP tool market comparison. </p>
<p>look at data from both Company sites, look at what large Agency&#8217;s and publishers are doing, as this changes based on your location, while Europe is switching back to XPress as a standard the US is still very much split.<br />
Quark has the Speed and the technology and InDesign has some of the features.  Mjenuius is correct the only reason freelancers like InDesign is becouse it&#8217;s free with the suite, and most haven&#8217;t used Quark or not since 5 at least.
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		<title>by: Mjenius</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26194</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It all depends. I personally prefer Indesign, but that's my preference. It's not true that "no one uses Quark". It all depends on what you do. Most creative designers lean more towards Indesign, while I think desktop publishing is still strong in Quark. For the most part I think freelancers prefer Indesign because it's already part of the creative suite and had been burned by Quark in the past. On top that they won't have problem finding jobs with Indesign since it's widely used now. Assuming that you already have creative suite try using both. Keep in mind that not everyone will like the switch to Indesign. You can debate if it's worth making the switch all you want, but the obvious answer is that it's probably best to be able to use both programs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all depends. I personally prefer Indesign, but that&#8217;s my preference. It&#8217;s not true that &#8220;no one uses Quark&#8221;. It all depends on what you do. Most creative designers lean more towards Indesign, while I think desktop publishing is still strong in Quark. For the most part I think freelancers prefer Indesign because it&#8217;s already part of the creative suite and had been burned by Quark in the past. On top that they won&#8217;t have problem finding jobs with Indesign since it&#8217;s widely used now. Assuming that you already have creative suite try using both. Keep in mind that not everyone will like the switch to Indesign. You can debate if it&#8217;s worth making the switch all you want, but the obvious answer is that it&#8217;s probably best to be able to use both programs.
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		<title>by: Paul Chernoff</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26191</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 16:36:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The best thing to do is to download a copy of InDesign and use it in demo mode for 30 days, though I would also advise buying a good book. There are 2 good books out there for moving from QXP to InDesign. They take different approaches but both show you differences in philosophy and how to do what you want in ID based on QXP experience. I also learned new stuff about QXP while reading the books (Of course the comparison is between QXP 4-6 and ID CS2).

Before we switched to ID we found it almost impossible to get any interns because the applications we got had only ID experience because the colleges were only teaching ID. So I suggest taking a survey of local colleges and see the current situation. You might find that there are a fair number taking QXP courses. You really want to know the local situation for this, not national.

Which is better depends on a number of issues, including what you design. I am finding ID having basic features that QXP lacks that are important for magazine publishing. People creating ads will have different criteria than me. For example, our staff that works on ads do not care about style sheets and master pages, but these two features are critical to our staff working on the editorial side. And even within an expertise there will be differences of opinion. Concentrate on what people doing similar work are using.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best thing to do is to download a copy of InDesign and use it in demo mode for 30 days, though I would also advise buying a good book. There are 2 good books out there for moving from QXP to InDesign. They take different approaches but both show you differences in philosophy and how to do what you want in ID based on QXP experience. I also learned new stuff about QXP while reading the books (Of course the comparison is between QXP 4-6 and ID CS2).</p>
<p>Before we switched to ID we found it almost impossible to get any interns because the applications we got had only ID experience because the colleges were only teaching ID. So I suggest taking a survey of local colleges and see the current situation. You might find that there are a fair number taking QXP courses. You really want to know the local situation for this, not national.</p>
<p>Which is better depends on a number of issues, including what you design. I am finding ID having basic features that QXP lacks that are important for magazine publishing. People creating ads will have different criteria than me. For example, our staff that works on ads do not care about style sheets and master pages, but these two features are critical to our staff working on the editorial side. And even within an expertise there will be differences of opinion. Concentrate on what people doing similar work are using.
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		<title>by: regina jenkins</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2007/quark-gives-you-ten-reasons-why/#comment-26187</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 15:56:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I need to know where i can find a comparison between in-design and quark.  WE use quark 7.0 for our graphic designers but recently got some outsourced designers tell my boss that in-design is better and that noone uses quark, I need a backup story on why to promote quark vs. indesign and what % of graphic designers use in-design vs. quark, etc.  can someone help?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need to know where i can find a comparison between in-design and quark.  WE use quark 7.0 for our graphic designers but recently got some outsourced designers tell my boss that in-design is better and that noone uses quark, I need a backup story on why to promote quark vs. indesign and what % of graphic designers use in-design vs. quark, etc.  can someone help?
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