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	<title>Comments on: Adobe Dragging Its Feet with Intel-Macs? Not Quite.</title>
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		<title>by: Quark VS InDesign - &#187; Editorial: On the Subject of MacTel Compatibility&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-2154</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 21:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] As you can plainly see in the discussion here and here, as well as a hundred other blogs, forums, and bulletin boards around the Web, the zealous Macintosh fan base is quick to accuse Adobe, Microsoft, and other Mac software makers of intentionally dragging their feet in porting applications to the new Intel-based Mac Universal Binary code. In other words: the market is once again jumping at Apple&#8217;s command. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] As you can plainly see in the discussion here and here, as well as a hundred other blogs, forums, and bulletin boards around the Web, the zealous Macintosh fan base is quick to accuse Adobe, Microsoft, and other Mac software makers of intentionally dragging their feet in porting applications to the new Intel-based Mac Universal Binary code. In other words: the market is once again jumping at Apple&#8217;s command. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Quark VS InDesign - &#187; Adobe: No MacTel Photoshop Until CS3</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-2027</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Mar 2006 01:56:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] According to Terri Stone, Creativepro.com editor-in-chief (reported here, including a link to Seeking Alpha&#8217;s transcript of the call), during the conference call of 22 March discussing 2006 1st Quarter Adobe earnings, Adobe executives verified that Macintosh users won&#8217;t be seeing MacTel-native Creative Suite apps until the CS3 release, mooted for Spring 2007. This confirms the predictions of Quark VS InDesign.com in this January 2006 editorial by Pariah S. Burke. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] According to Terri Stone, Creativepro.com editor-in-chief (reported here, including a link to Seeking Alpha&#8217;s transcript of the call), during the conference call of 22 March discussing 2006 1st Quarter Adobe earnings, Adobe executives verified that Macintosh users won&#8217;t be seeing MacTel-native Creative Suite apps until the CS3 release, mooted for Spring 2007. This confirms the predictions of Quark VS InDesign.com in this January 2006 editorial by Pariah S. Burke. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Paul Richardson</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1482</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 16:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Well that didn't quite work... Anyways, here is the link:
http://www.adobe.com/products/pdfs/intelmacsupport.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that didn&#8217;t quite work&#8230; Anyways, here is the link:<br />
<a href='http://www.adobe.com/products/pdfs/intelmacsupport.pdf'>adobe.com/products/p.../intelmacsupport.pdf</a>
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		<title>by: Paul Richardson</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1481</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Feb 2006 15:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1481</guid>
					<description>Just read &lt;a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/pdfs/intelmacsupport.pdf" title="this article" rel="nofollow"&gt; &lt;/a&gt; (warning: pdf link) from Adobe's website. they do mention switching the entire codebase over to Xcode. I think that you are correct with QXP 7. From what I have read it looks as though they have been using Xcode and do have a fat binary of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read <a href="http://www.adobe.com/products/pdfs/intelmacsupport.pdf" title="this article" rel="nofollow"> </a> (warning: pdf link) from Adobe&#8217;s website. they do mention switching the entire codebase over to Xcode. I think that you are correct with QXP 7. From what I have read it looks as though they have been using Xcode and do have a fat binary of it.
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		<title>by: Pariah S. Burke</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1479</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 18:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1479</guid>
					<description>Thanks, Paul.

I'm not sure about which of those apps were developed with code warrior or Xcode, so I don't know whether to agree or disagree with you. I do believe that QuarkXPress 7 was rewritten and compiled to be a universal app, giving it native functionality on Intel-Macs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Paul.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure about which of those apps were developed with code warrior or Xcode, so I don&#8217;t know whether to agree or disagree with you. I do believe that QuarkXPress 7 was rewritten and compiled to be a universal app, giving it native functionality on Intel-Macs.
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		<title>by: Paul Richardson</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1478</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 17:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1478</guid>
					<description>First of all I would like to say, great article. Though there is one point that sticks out in my mind that was not covered. When i think about Quark Xpress, Microsoft Office, and the Adobe Creative Suite, I remember that these products were almost all built pre OSX. Most, if not all of them contain legacy carbon code that does not work properly within rosetta. Not only that, but if memory serves me correctly, they were all built with code warrior, not Apple's Xcode. Thus another roadblock in getting these apps out. I suspect that there is a great deal of code that is having to be redone in there products, and thus the long wait for an firm announcement.

Just my $0.02, take it for what you will.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all I would like to say, great article. Though there is one point that sticks out in my mind that was not covered. When i think about Quark Xpress, Microsoft Office, and the Adobe Creative Suite, I remember that these products were almost all built pre OSX. Most, if not all of them contain legacy carbon code that does not work properly within rosetta. Not only that, but if memory serves me correctly, they were all built with code warrior, not Apple&#8217;s Xcode. Thus another roadblock in getting these apps out. I suspect that there is a great deal of code that is having to be redone in there products, and thus the long wait for an firm announcement.</p>
<p>Just my $0.02, take it for what you will.
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		<title>by: Matthew Treder</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1476</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote cite="The big irony is that Intel is very forthcoming on their roadmap, and have outlined their plans for for the next 10 years. Apple won’t tell you what they’re doing tomorrow."&gt;
True enough, Steve, although Intel's products and Apple's are as different as...er...apples and  oranges. Or at least apples and computer chips.
Intel can draw a roadmap of the United States without harm to its marketplace position, while Apple's got a pack of me-too's from Microsoft to Malaysia waiting to iCopy, iInfringe, and  iReverse-engineer its eyeCatching iGadgets and gizmos. (And iApologize InAdvance for the iNsufferable i's...)&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="The big irony is that Intel is very forthcoming on their roadmap, and have outlined their plans for for the next 10 years. Apple won’t tell you what they’re doing tomorrow."><p>
True enough, Steve, although Intel&#8217;s products and Apple&#8217;s are as different as&#8230;er&#8230;apples and  oranges. Or at least apples and computer chips.<br />
Intel can draw a roadmap of the United States without harm to its marketplace position, while Apple&#8217;s got a pack of me-too&#8217;s from Microsoft to Malaysia waiting to iCopy, iInfringe, and  iReverse-engineer its eyeCatching iGadgets and gizmos. (And iApologize InAdvance for the iNsufferable i&#8217;s&#8230;)</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Steve Rea</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1472</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jan 2006 16:52:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1472</guid>
					<description>Why does it surprise you that Apple is phasing out old machines before new software is ready?  This is the 4th time they've done it, we should be used to it by now.

(6502 to 68000, 68000 to PPC, OS 9 to OS 10, and now PPC to Intel)

I agree that it is annoying, but it will always happen (and happens in the Windows world too.  Try buying a new program  for Windows 95 or even 98).

The big irony is that Intel is very forthcoming on their roadmap, and have outlined their plans for  for the next 10 years.  Apple won't tell you what they're doing tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why does it surprise you that Apple is phasing out old machines before new software is ready?  This is the 4th time they&#8217;ve done it, we should be used to it by now.</p>
<p>(6502 to 68000, 68000 to PPC, OS 9 to OS 10, and now PPC to Intel)</p>
<p>I agree that it is annoying, but it will always happen (and happens in the Windows world too.  Try buying a new program  for Windows 95 or even 98).</p>
<p>The big irony is that Intel is very forthcoming on their roadmap, and have outlined their plans for  for the next 10 years.  Apple won&#8217;t tell you what they&#8217;re doing tomorrow.
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		<title>by: Brian</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1469</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 20:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1469</guid>
					<description>Not bias, just frustration.  I'm not looking for support of a legacy system. Just answers about how applications will run and perform on their current hardware and OS so I can make strategic decisions regarding IT investments. I'd like to go with the Intel Macs, espically after seeing some of the revised benchmarks that indicate the performance claims Apple made for universal applications seem to be accurate.  But I have no way to know when that will be something I can buy.  I'm frustrated that Apple has announced a fairly agressive (timewise) phase out of a platform before the software many users of that platform rely on has even been announced, released, or tested. I blame Adobe on this issue just as much if not more than Apple, it certainly appears that Apple made the developemnt tools available.  But there really is not good alternative to running the CS regardless of platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not bias, just frustration.  I&#8217;m not looking for support of a legacy system. Just answers about how applications will run and perform on their current hardware and OS so I can make strategic decisions regarding IT investments. I&#8217;d like to go with the Intel Macs, espically after seeing some of the revised benchmarks that indicate the performance claims Apple made for universal applications seem to be accurate.  But I have no way to know when that will be something I can buy.  I&#8217;m frustrated that Apple has announced a fairly agressive (timewise) phase out of a platform before the software many users of that platform rely on has even been announced, released, or tested. I blame Adobe on this issue just as much if not more than Apple, it certainly appears that Apple made the developemnt tools available.  But there really is not good alternative to running the CS regardless of platform.
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		<title>by: Jim Oblak</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1466</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:52:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1466</guid>
					<description>I smell bias.

Public betas are not definitive signs that a company is open with development.  Public betas simply show that a company has a massive market for a product and they want to ensure that their product works well.  It is also a spectacular marketing tool and a way to get early adopters.  Quark, Adobe and Apple also offer beta programs. 

It was only under EU rulings that Microsoft is opening more code.

Time always marches on.  How can I get support for Windows 98?  The only reason why Microsoft seems to be moving at a better (slower) upgrade pace is because it is a lumbering giant.  That is both its asset and its weakness.  No one is happy about whiplash development but we would be equally unhappy if we were still using Windows 3.1 and Mac OS 6.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I smell bias.</p>
<p>Public betas are not definitive signs that a company is open with development.  Public betas simply show that a company has a massive market for a product and they want to ensure that their product works well.  It is also a spectacular marketing tool and a way to get early adopters.  Quark, Adobe and Apple also offer beta programs. </p>
<p>It was only under EU rulings that Microsoft is opening more code.</p>
<p>Time always marches on.  How can I get support for Windows 98?  The only reason why Microsoft seems to be moving at a better (slower) upgrade pace is because it is a lumbering giant.  That is both its asset and its weakness.  No one is happy about whiplash development but we would be equally unhappy if we were still using Windows 3.1 and Mac OS 6.
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		<title>by: Brian</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1465</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jan 2006 00:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All of the admittedly revolutionary developemnts happened over a decade ago.  Since that time Apple has increasingly turned to secrecy as a marketing tool.  Microsoft however relies on a much more open hardware &#38; software development &#38; supply chain.  There are public beta versions of all their upcoming versions of software so businesses can test functionality with their existing processes and test upcoming technologies.  Instead Apple releases new hardware, says the software is on the way, and announces that the hardware will be discontinued in a year. Very different from a forecasting and system planning standpoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All of the admittedly revolutionary developemnts happened over a decade ago.  Since that time Apple has increasingly turned to secrecy as a marketing tool.  Microsoft however relies on a much more open hardware &amp; software development &amp; supply chain.  There are public beta versions of all their upcoming versions of software so businesses can test functionality with their existing processes and test upcoming technologies.  Instead Apple releases new hardware, says the software is on the way, and announces that the hardware will be discontinued in a year. Very different from a forecasting and system planning standpoint.
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		<title>by: Pariah S. Burke</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1462</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>All sorts of puns about roads come to mind, but I will (with diffuculty) restrain myself.

Brian, Jim gets straight to the point: There are no roadmaps to be had. Apple and especially Adobe are responsible for most of the little predictability we have in professional creative and production technologies. Apple brought the graphical user interface to market, priced laser printers within reach of individuals, and created the concept of Plug N' Play, among many other innovations. Adobe created the printer language on which Apple's laser printer ran, pioneered non-device resident soft fonts, developed PDF, and is the innovator behind an overwhelming majority of the applications, systems, and methodologies we use to do our jobs. Because of them we know today's PDFs will work in tomorrow's workflows, our fonts will serve us for many years to come, and that today's Macs can exchange files with tomorrow's PCs (and vice versa).

With the breakneck pace of technology development, there isn't very much more one can plan on. I think both companies--as well as their contemporaries--are doing the best they can to keep up with, and maintain a slight lead on, the changes introduced by everyone else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All sorts of puns about roads come to mind, but I will (with diffuculty) restrain myself.</p>
<p>Brian, Jim gets straight to the point: There are no roadmaps to be had. Apple and especially Adobe are responsible for most of the little predictability we have in professional creative and production technologies. Apple brought the graphical user interface to market, priced laser printers within reach of individuals, and created the concept of Plug N&#8217; Play, among many other innovations. Adobe created the printer language on which Apple&#8217;s laser printer ran, pioneered non-device resident soft fonts, developed PDF, and is the innovator behind an overwhelming majority of the applications, systems, and methodologies we use to do our jobs. Because of them we know today&#8217;s PDFs will work in tomorrow&#8217;s workflows, our fonts will serve us for many years to come, and that today&#8217;s Macs can exchange files with tomorrow&#8217;s PCs (and vice versa).</p>
<p>With the breakneck pace of technology development, there isn&#8217;t very much more one can plan on. I think both companies&#8212;as well as their contemporaries&#8212;are doing the best they can to keep up with, and maintain a slight lead on, the changes introduced by everyone else.
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		<title>by: Jim Oblak</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1461</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:18:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Windows has a clear roadmap??!!!!

Shirley, you jest.

The past has shown us that there is no way to predict a clear roadmap for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Windows has a clear roadmap??!!!!</p>
<p>Shirley, you jest.</p>
<p>The past has shown us that there is no way to predict a clear roadmap for the future.
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		<title>by: Brian</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1459</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jan 2006 15:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2006/adobe-dragging-its-feet-with-intel-macs-not-quite/#comment-1459</guid>
					<description>Many of these arguments are valid, but miss the broader point.  Apple and Adobe have done a poor job of allowing professional users to anticipate a roadmap for the future.  If I'm forced to purchase a new Mac based system today, what do I buy?  A PPC based G5 that will be obselete in the near future and offer sub par performance once the universal apps hit the shelves.  An Intel based Mac and live with Rosetta enulation slowing everything down, then face a unclear upgrade future that probably involves purchasing software a second time?  Or do I just dump Apple and go to Windows where the roadmap is clear and application performance is better?  I find it funny that Apple named their emulation layer for a artifact that finally gave us insight to the past, while their approach to professional users continues to show thay have learned nothing from their history.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of these arguments are valid, but miss the broader point.  Apple and Adobe have done a poor job of allowing professional users to anticipate a roadmap for the future.  If I&#8217;m forced to purchase a new Mac based system today, what do I buy?  A PPC based G5 that will be obselete in the near future and offer sub par performance once the universal apps hit the shelves.  An Intel based Mac and live with Rosetta enulation slowing everything down, then face a unclear upgrade future that probably involves purchasing software a second time?  Or do I just dump Apple and go to Windows where the roadmap is clear and application performance is better?  I find it funny that Apple named their emulation layer for a artifact that finally gave us insight to the past, while their approach to professional users continues to show thay have learned nothing from their history.
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