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	<title>Comments on: See How They're Different: Quark Radically Revamps Its Image</title>
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		<title>by: Pancake</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-1771</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 18:19:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Flat version works well but the beveled nightmare of a logo version is one of the worst I have seen. Seems like somebody just recently discovered the bevel tool in photoshop. They need to stick with the flat version.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Flat version works well but the beveled nightmare of a logo version is one of the worst I have seen. Seems like somebody just recently discovered the bevel tool in photoshop. They need to stick with the flat version.
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		<title>by: Quark VS InDesign - &#187; Quark&#8217;s Logo 2006&#8212;Something Is In Motion</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-1752</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 20:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>[...] The 2005 model, while strong and stylish in its simplicity, met with derision and accusations of plagiarism. As the creative community instantly pointed out, that version bore a strong resemblance to a handful of existing logos, and, but for its color, was identical to the logo of the Scottish Arts Council, who used the circular glyph with the bottom-right point to represent a lowercase a where Quark&#8217;s used the same glyph for a capital Q. The similarities, however, were accidental; Quark&#8217;s branding agency, SicolaMartin, had missed the marks of the Scottish Arts Council, the Designers Network, Alcone, and others during their trademark research. Despite Quark&#8217;s own justification for the confusion, as well as objective explanations of how such a situation may occur from independent media Quark VS InDesign.com and Creativepro.com, the September 2005 Quark logo missed the mark with designers.  The September 2005 Quark logo. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] The 2005 model, while strong and stylish in its simplicity, met with derision and accusations of plagiarism. As the creative community instantly pointed out, that version bore a strong resemblance to a handful of existing logos, and, but for its color, was identical to the logo of the Scottish Arts Council, who used the circular glyph with the bottom-right point to represent a lowercase a where Quark&#8217;s used the same glyph for a capital Q. The similarities, however, were accidental; Quark&#8217;s branding agency, SicolaMartin, had missed the marks of the Scottish Arts Council, the Designers Network, Alcone, and others during their trademark research. Despite Quark&#8217;s own justification for the confusion, as well as objective explanations of how such a situation may occur from independent media Quark VS InDesign.com and Creativepro.com, the September 2005 Quark logo missed the mark with designers.  The September 2005 Quark logo. [&#8230;]
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		<title>by: Elisabetta Bruno</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-1150</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:25:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sorry, I had a problem with the comment form. I meant to say that I see what you mean with the part I just quoted with the previous comment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, I had a problem with the comment form. I meant to say that I see what you mean with the part I just quoted with the previous comment.
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		<title>by: Elisabetta Bruno</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-1149</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Nov 2005 12:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sam, you said:
&lt;blockquote cite=""&gt;I ought to qualify what I mean by timely. The way I see it, Extreme Makeover:Quark Edition™ is timely, but only insofar as the context they are working in…that is to say, considering they haven’t upgraded thier image along with the application, and given that the release of V7 is contiually intimated as being ‘imminent’, time was ripe for an updating of thier image. Better late, as they say, than never.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam, you said:</p>
<blockquote cite=""><p>I ought to qualify what I mean by timely. The way I see it, Extreme Makeover:Quark Edition™ is timely, but only insofar as the context they are working in…that is to say, considering they haven’t upgraded thier image along with the application, and given that the release of V7 is contiually intimated as being ‘imminent’, time was ripe for an updating of thier image. Better late, as they say, than never.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>by: Joe Reil</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-797</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Sep 2005 15:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Thanks for the comments and glad it was enjoyed. I did use the actual press release for inspiration and a lot of what is in mine is just subtle rewordings of the actual press release...    Names changed to protect the innonence of Quark. My only regret is I couldn't think of a better name for the "new" font. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments and glad it was enjoyed. I did use the actual press release for inspiration and a lot of what is in mine is just subtle rewordings of the actual press release&#8230;    Names changed to protect the innonence of Quark. My only regret is I couldn&#8217;t think of a better name for the &#8220;new&#8221; font. ;)
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		<title>by: maxfinis</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-793</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Sep 2005 02:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe &#38; Samuel:

That was so well done, I was actually googling typewherehouse before I realized what an idiot I am.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe &amp; Samuel:</p>
<p>That was so well done, I was actually googling typewherehouse before I realized what an idiot I am.
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		<title>by: Samuel John Klein</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-792</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 23:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe:

Beautiful. You have the press release tone down so well that I almost believed you at first. By the end I was laughing out loud.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe:</p>
<p>Beautiful. You have the press release tone down so well that I almost believed you at first. By the end I was laughing out loud.
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		<title>by: Joe Reil</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-789</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Publishing leader Quark further wows customers and silences critics with a new font

DENVER - September 16, 2005 - There’s yet another new symbol of the friendly new Quark. In addition to the new logo announced late last week Quark has selected a new font for use in the application menus and user manuals for it's upcoming Quark 7.0 release.

“Quark has undergone many changes, starting with our innovative new logo,” said acting president Linda Chase. “We are proud to follow that success up with the selection of a new font to further identify and solidify the Quark brand in the hearts and minds of our customers.”

Quark Funnies
In support of the launch of Quark’s new brand identity, TypeWhereHouse Inc., the global authority on fonts and the leading font foundry for the design industry, has redubbed "Comic Sans" as “Quark Funnies.” 

According to Beatrice Wiseman, executive director of the TypeWhereHouse Font Institute, renowned font psychologist, and author of thirty-five books on fonts, “Comic Sans was the perfect choice for an innovative company such as Quark. This font, based on the lettering in daily comic strips and monthly comic books alike is a perfect symbol for the new Quark in the eyes of it's many customers, critics and supporters. As a joke in it's field.”

Beatrice went on, “Comic Sans just screamed Quark to me. I was looking for something that would take Quark in a completely new direction — a font that was friendly and inviting, while also being exciting and dynamic and further something that would clearly and solidly identify Quark in the market. “The more I looked at the font, the more it came to represent so many things that Quark has gone through: rejuvenation, growth, and rebirth and finally to it's status now as a joke in it's own industry. It just seemed to work.”</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Publishing leader Quark further wows customers and silences critics with a new font</p>
<p>DENVER - September 16, 2005 - There’s yet another new symbol of the friendly new Quark. In addition to the new logo announced late last week Quark has selected a new font for use in the application menus and user manuals for it&#8217;s upcoming Quark 7.0 release.</p>
<p>“Quark has undergone many changes, starting with our innovative new logo,” said acting president Linda Chase. “We are proud to follow that success up with the selection of a new font to further identify and solidify the Quark brand in the hearts and minds of our customers.”</p>
<p>Quark Funnies<br />
In support of the launch of Quark’s new brand identity, TypeWhereHouse Inc., the global authority on fonts and the leading font foundry for the design industry, has redubbed &#8220;Comic Sans&#8221; as “Quark Funnies.” </p>
<p>According to Beatrice Wiseman, executive director of the TypeWhereHouse Font Institute, renowned font psychologist, and author of thirty-five books on fonts, “Comic Sans was the perfect choice for an innovative company such as Quark. This font, based on the lettering in daily comic strips and monthly comic books alike is a perfect symbol for the new Quark in the eyes of it&#8217;s many customers, critics and supporters. As a joke in it&#8217;s field.”</p>
<p>Beatrice went on, “Comic Sans just screamed Quark to me. I was looking for something that would take Quark in a completely new direction — a font that was friendly and inviting, while also being exciting and dynamic and further something that would clearly and solidly identify Quark in the market. “The more I looked at the font, the more it came to represent so many things that Quark has gone through: rejuvenation, growth, and rebirth and finally to it&#8217;s status now as a joke in it&#8217;s own industry. It just seemed to work.”
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		<title>by: Samuel John Klein</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-779</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 16:12:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Elisabetta:

I see and acknowledge your point. Quark is late off the blocks in a great many ways, from upgrading to Mac OS X to finally versioning up the application.

I ought to qualify what I mean by timely. The way I see it, Extreme Makeover:Quark Edition™ is timely, but only insofar as the context they are working in...that is to say, considering they haven't upgraded thier image along with the application, and given that the release of V7 is contiually intimated as being 'imminent', time was ripe for an updating of thier image. Better late, as they say, than never.

In the greater context of the last few years of design software developments, though, they are very late on this image update, and in that wise I quite agree with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elisabetta:</p>
<p>I see and acknowledge your point. Quark is late off the blocks in a great many ways, from upgrading to Mac OS X to finally versioning up the application.</p>
<p>I ought to qualify what I mean by timely. The way I see it, Extreme Makeover:Quark Edition™ is timely, but only insofar as the context they are working in&#8230;that is to say, considering they haven&#8217;t upgraded thier image along with the application, and given that the release of V7 is contiually intimated as being &#8216;imminent&#8217;, time was ripe for an updating of thier image. Better late, as they say, than never.</p>
<p>In the greater context of the last few years of design software developments, though, they are very late on this image update, and in that wise I quite agree with you.
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		<title>by: Skyline</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-776</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Sep 2005 14:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good point Elisabetta. I have NEVER met or heard about a SINGLE PERSON who even thought about switching from InDesign to Quark. 

The next version of Quark is going to have to be more than an equal of InDesign, it is going to have to be light years ahead of it. Otherwise, Quark is burnt toast. It's already toast, it will be BURNT toast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point Elisabetta. I have NEVER met or heard about a SINGLE PERSON who even thought about switching from InDesign to Quark. </p>
<p>The next version of Quark is going to have to be more than an equal of InDesign, it is going to have to be light years ahead of it. Otherwise, Quark is burnt toast. It&#8217;s already toast, it will be BURNT toast.
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		<title>by: Elisabetta Bruno</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-770</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 13:30:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sam you said that Quark's revamp is both timely and appropriate. It certainly is appropriate, but I don't think it is very timely. Quark should have done this long ago and they should release QuarkXPress 7 quite fast before too many people switch to InDesign. 

I have heard many people saying they are making the switch from Quark to InDesign, yet I heard none saying they are switching from InDesign to Quark.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sam you said that Quark&#8217;s revamp is both timely and appropriate. It certainly is appropriate, but I don&#8217;t think it is very timely. Quark should have done this long ago and they should release QuarkXPress 7 quite fast before too many people switch to InDesign. </p>
<p>I have heard many people saying they are making the switch from Quark to InDesign, yet I heard none saying they are switching from InDesign to Quark.
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		<title>by: Branislav Milic</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 11:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>http://www.macmerc.com/article.php?sid=2628 

Visitors to Quark's web site yesterday got a bit of a surprise. Quark has changed its logo, changed its web site and, well, that's about it. Everything else is the same. Except that, as reported on MetaFilter, Quark's new logo looks just like the one for The Scottish Arts Council.

http://www.scottisharts.org.uk/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='http://www.macmerc.com/article.php?sid=2628'>macmerc.com/article.php?sid=2628</a> </p>
<p>Visitors to Quark&#8217;s web site yesterday got a bit of a surprise. Quark has changed its logo, changed its web site and, well, that&#8217;s about it. Everything else is the same. Except that, as reported on MetaFilter, Quark&#8217;s new logo looks just like the one for The Scottish Arts Council.</p>
<p><a href='http://www.scottisharts.org.uk/'>http://www.scottisharts.org.uk/</a>
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		<title>by: Rick</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-768</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Sep 2005 04:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I't nice to see they are designing the site with good markup, but that menu is terrible. I hate it when companies build menus with dropdowns that are hard to get to. I do, however, like the new design. The green Q looks really cool. 
Still... I hate Quark, and I really wish it would go away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;t nice to see they are designing the site with good markup, but that menu is terrible. I hate it when companies build menus with dropdowns that are hard to get to. I do, however, like the new design. The green Q looks really cool.<br />
Still&#8230; I hate Quark, and I really wish it would go away.
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		<title>by: Samuel John Klein</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-763</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Sep 2005 02:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Bill:

Your comment comes up with a valid point.

There are, I think, two ways to look on Quark, as they defend their turf and thier remaining market share against Adobe. One way is by what they announce and what they produce. The other way is by how they announce.

Quark wants to appeal to designers. Designers (just for the sake of saying this-I'm sure I don't need to tell you this) are seen as a hip, "with-it" group, in tune with fashion in some essential way. If your image is seen as dated, your credibility suffers and there is an air of tiredness about you.

Quark's graphic presentation, up until now, struck me as quiet, composed, and "same". The graphic treatment was one they had been using for years, and was doing so at the time they were hinting at exciting new features and acknowledging the challenge of InDesign. I think they were looking for a relevant, edgy angle–that's why we had the Postcards.

The Postcards missed the mark, remarkably. My take on this is that they have, if not learned the lesson of the error of the message, at least learned the lesson of dialing it back a bit. This new presentation works on the cool and hip level. I, who have announced by bias more than once, find it appealing and refreshing.

Of course, public face is one thing. Now they have to follow up with actual results. Whenever XPress V7 is rolled out (whenever &lt;em&gt;that&lt;/em&gt; may be), it's got to be a credible contender against InDesign. No matter what it offers, those offerings have got to not only hang on to the waverers (those thinking of moving to Adobe), and not only make its loyal customers feel justified in maintaining thier investment, but also make satisfied InDesign refugees from Quark think twice about that decision.

A rebranding such as this makes it more doable for Quark. But they still have to deliver on the promise that is V7.

This new look may turn out to be lipstick on a pig, or it may turn out to be the jewelry on a beauty queen. That depends on V7. but as a design evolution it, in and of itself, is a breath of fresh air to Quark's look, timely and needed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill:</p>
<p>Your comment comes up with a valid point.</p>
<p>There are, I think, two ways to look on Quark, as they defend their turf and thier remaining market share against Adobe. One way is by what they announce and what they produce. The other way is by how they announce.</p>
<p>Quark wants to appeal to designers. Designers (just for the sake of saying this-I&#8217;m sure I don&#8217;t need to tell you this) are seen as a hip, &#8220;with-it&#8221; group, in tune with fashion in some essential way. If your image is seen as dated, your credibility suffers and there is an air of tiredness about you.</p>
<p>Quark&#8217;s graphic presentation, up until now, struck me as quiet, composed, and &#8220;same&#8221;. The graphic treatment was one they had been using for years, and was doing so at the time they were hinting at exciting new features and acknowledging the challenge of InDesign. I think they were looking for a relevant, edgy angle–that&#8217;s why we had the Postcards.</p>
<p>The Postcards missed the mark, remarkably. My take on this is that they have, if not learned the lesson of the error of the message, at least learned the lesson of dialing it back a bit. This new presentation works on the cool and hip level. I, who have announced by bias more than once, find it appealing and refreshing.</p>
<p>Of course, public face is one thing. Now they have to follow up with actual results. Whenever XPress V7 is rolled out (whenever <em>that</em> may be), it&#8217;s got to be a credible contender against InDesign. No matter what it offers, those offerings have got to not only hang on to the waverers (those thinking of moving to Adobe), and not only make its loyal customers feel justified in maintaining thier investment, but also make satisfied InDesign refugees from Quark think twice about that decision.</p>
<p>A rebranding such as this makes it more doable for Quark. But they still have to deliver on the promise that is V7.</p>
<p>This new look may turn out to be lipstick on a pig, or it may turn out to be the jewelry on a beauty queen. That depends on V7. but as a design evolution it, in and of itself, is a breath of fresh air to Quark&#8217;s look, timely and needed.
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		<title>by: Bill Hendricks</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2005/see-how-theyre-different-quark-radically-revamps-its-image/#comment-762</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Sep 2005 20:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Where's the beef? Packaging  is one thing...  What does Quark really have to offer that is new?

Bill</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where&#8217;s the beef? Packaging  is one thing&#8230;  What does Quark really have to offer that is new?</p>
<p>Bill
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