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	<title>Comments on: InDesign CS Bible Made In Quark</title>
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	<description>The Authority for News &#038; Opinion on the War of the Desktop Publishing Giants QuarkXPress and Adobe InDesign</description>
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		<title>by: Richardson Stephanie</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-810</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 21:20:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>It's just the business and it.s called outsoursing, how I know!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just the business and it.s called outsoursing, how I know!
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		<title>by: Joni</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-225</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Dec 2004 23:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>This is just more along the lines of Apple versus Windows, Mac versus PC, Word versus WordPerfect, dogs versus cats, roll the toilet paper from the top versus roll the toilet paper from the bottom, etc., etc., etc., (loosely quoting Yul Brynner in "The King and I")...  But it is a pretty big "Oops!"!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is just more along the lines of Apple versus Windows, Mac versus PC, Word versus WordPerfect, dogs versus cats, roll the toilet paper from the top versus roll the toilet paper from the bottom, etc., etc., etc., (loosely quoting Yul Brynner in &#8220;The King and I&#8221;)&#8230;  But it is a pretty big &#8220;Oops!&#8221;!!
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		<title>by: blog of nd</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-208</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Dec 2004 09:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Wonderful irony&lt;/strong&gt;
Given the long standing intrenchment of Quark in the publishing world, it is hardly surprising, yet deliciously ironic, that the recent Wiley Publishing book Adobe InDesign cs Bible, written by Glenn Gruman was actually originated in Quark!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Wonderful irony</strong><br />
Given the long standing intrenchment of Quark in the publishing world, it is hardly surprising, yet deliciously ironic, that the recent Wiley Publishing book Adobe InDesign cs Bible, written by Glenn Gruman was actually originated in Quark!
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		<title>by: Pariah S. Burke</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-198</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 21:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nah. It isn't that surprising.

Look at it this way:  Quark 5 is considered by most to be an irrelevant maintenance release. Very, very few serious organizations spent the dough for Quark 5. It simply didn't provide enough innovation or new utility to justify the investment.

Quark 6 is OS X only &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; it only saves back to version 5 , which, in a book publishing workflow, requires everyone from the editors to the proofers to the imposers to the RIP stations to be upgraded to Quark 6--or at least 5. Since 5 isn't typically worth the investment, and 6 requires every station to be upgraded to a new OS--which also means buying new computers (for many) and upgrading all other mission-critical software in the workflow--many companies are electing to remain on Quark 4.1 until their budgets allow them to upgrade the entire workflow, hardware and software.

Besides:  Look at Wiley's books. I'm not knocking them by any means, but they don't need the features of Quark 6. For what Wiley produces, Quark 4.1 does the job.

Quark 4.1 is still very stable and still very much a part of the publishing industries; most newspapers still run XPress and QPS 4.1, by the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah. It isn&#8217;t that surprising.</p>
<p>Look at it this way:  Quark 5 is considered by most to be an irrelevant maintenance release. Very, very few serious organizations spent the dough for Quark 5. It simply didn&#8217;t provide enough innovation or new utility to justify the investment.</p>
<p>Quark 6 is OS X only <em>and</em> it only saves back to version 5 , which, in a book publishing workflow, requires everyone from the editors to the proofers to the imposers to the RIP stations to be upgraded to Quark 6&#8212;or at least 5. Since 5 isn&#8217;t typically worth the investment, and 6 requires every station to be upgraded to a new OS&#8212;which also means buying new computers (for many) and upgrading all other mission-critical software in the workflow&#8212;many companies are electing to remain on Quark 4.1 until their budgets allow them to upgrade the entire workflow, hardware and software.</p>
<p>Besides:  Look at Wiley&#8217;s books. I&#8217;m not knocking them by any means, but they don&#8217;t need the features of Quark 6. For what Wiley produces, Quark 4.1 does the job.</p>
<p>Quark 4.1 is still very stable and still very much a part of the publishing industries; most newspapers still run XPress and QPS 4.1, by the way.
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		<title>by: Samuel John Klein</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-197</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 16:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wiley's still using Quark &lt;strong&gt;4&lt;/strong&gt;?

If you ask me, &lt;strong&gt;that's&lt;/strong&gt; the real news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wiley&#8217;s still using Quark <strong>4</strong>?</p>
<p>If you ask me, <strong>that&#8217;s</strong> the real news.
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		<title>by: Pariah S. Burke</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-182</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 10:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>When this story first broke, I contacted the author of &lt;em&gt;Adobe InDesign CS Bible&lt;/em&gt;, Galen Gruman, for a comment.

His statement includes a perfectly logical explanation:

Galen Gruman:  "The publisher, John Wiley &#038; Sons, has a standard publishing platform, QuarkXPress 4, so it produces all its books on it. I as the author have nothing to do with their platform decisions and it is misleading to insinuate by citing that book's chapter that it means anything about the relative strengths of either program."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When this story first broke, I contacted the author of <em>Adobe InDesign CS Bible</em>, Galen Gruman, for a comment.</p>
<p>His statement includes a perfectly logical explanation:</p>
<p>Galen Gruman:  &#8220;The publisher, John Wiley &#038; Sons, has a standard publishing platform, QuarkXPress 4, so it produces all its books on it. I as the author have nothing to do with their platform decisions and it is misleading to insinuate by citing that book&#8217;s chapter that it means anything about the relative strengths of either program.&#8221;
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		<title>by: Pariah S. Burke</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-181</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 09:53:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Actually, it was taken quite seriously by certain interested parties.

I'll withhold further comment until I receive an official statement (or enough time has passed to safely say that no official comment will be forthcoming).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it was taken quite seriously by certain interested parties.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll withhold further comment until I receive an official statement (or enough time has passed to safely say that no official comment will be forthcoming).
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		<title>by: Samuel John Klein</title>
		<link>http://quarkvsindesign.com/articles/a1/features/2004/indesign-cs-bible-made-in-quark/#comment-179</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Dec 2004 04:57:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Maybe it looks bad for InDesign for &lt;strong&gt;this&lt;/strong&gt; one. I predict it will blow over.

The e-newsletter "Quark Particles" is a strange little beastie. Tone makes a very big impression on me, and the tone of the newsletter is mild irreverence of a studied sort...so obviously studied that it's a little embarrasing to read. This makes it a little hard for me to take seriously.

And the fact that Quark maybe thinks that I will take this as some sort of vote of no-confidence in InDesign...well, I find that a little bit insulting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe it looks bad for InDesign for <strong>this</strong> one. I predict it will blow over.</p>
<p>The e-newsletter &#8220;Quark Particles&#8221; is a strange little beastie. Tone makes a very big impression on me, and the tone of the newsletter is mild irreverence of a studied sort&#8230;so obviously studied that it&#8217;s a little embarrasing to read. This makes it a little hard for me to take seriously.</p>
<p>And the fact that Quark maybe thinks that I will take this as some sort of vote of no-confidence in InDesign&#8230;well, I find that a little bit insulting.
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